Talk:Ambassador achievement

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IS there scope for a failed Ambassadorship here, to encourage trying to gain entry to those more difficult areas? I'm thinking it might be fun to call it the Ulrich Von Hassel award, or something along these lines. Any thoughts? -- UnwiseOwl 03:57, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

It's clearly No Trespassing if you fail, and you can always describe it in further detail yourself. I don't think we need a special award. (Who was von Hassel, anyway?) --Ekorren 08:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

So, if we get permission to head in the exact direction of the hashpoint, but find it is 150 feet over the back of the property so we can't go there, it would seem like we should get an Ambassadorship, since we did talk to someone to get permission, even though it wasn't quite enough. (The award can't quite depend on getting there, as Raptors might disable you before you actually got there.) But it does seem wierd to get both an Ambassador and an No Trespassing. What do folks think? Jiml 00:42, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

So you asked to be let in into the wrong property, and only noticed it was the wrong one when getting near? Well, that's bad luck then. Not reached is Not reached. The achievement is for reaching coordinates you otherwise wouldn't have reached, not for getting permission to do something that doesn't actually help you to reach the hash from something who couldn't help you to reach the hash more than any arbitrary person. --Ekorren 13:06, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like you believe that the Ambassadorship requires that you reach the point. It actually currently says that it is for someone who helps you to reach the exact location. I'm glad you live in an area where Google is so exact you can tell where a hashpoint falls when you can't get closer than a quarter mile from all directions. Sounds to me like this award is to encourage us to ask for permission and talk to folks about geohashing. Doesn't seem like actually reaching the point is required as you feel it is. Jiml 14:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't seem you read the achievement description, then. How does to visit the exact location of a Geohash that is located within posted private property. not say that you need to reach the point? --Ekorren 15:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree that requesting and receiving permission to access private property in the name of geohashing is a great thing. However, I also agree that if it means you can't get to the point, you don't get the ribbon. Geohashing is not a totally fair sport, and you don't get a ribbon for every last thing you do along the way. Sometimes it doesn't work out, but there will be another expedition tomorrow, and you can have another go then. Not getting a ribbon doesn't mean the expedition is a failure. -- Benjw 15:29, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Ekorren is putting his emphasis on "The exact location" and I'm putting it on "gains permission". If I'm disabled by raptors before I make it to the hashpoint, and I had permission, do I earn the ribbon? Not according to Ekorren. But yes, according to me. I'm meeting the words that are on the page. There's a subtext to my question about maybe changing the wording. (Does it have to be posted "private" to count?) Jiml 15:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

So, if I ask my neighbour whether I may take a look at his balcony, I got permission. Not to the spot, because that's about 30 km from here, but it doesn't matter, I asked someone and I got permission!
No, honestly, this is not how it works. And I do not just emphasize another part. I take the whole thing as it is, while you want to neglect the central point of geohashing, which is to reach a specific random point. You asked the wrong person, or you found another obstacle which you didn't expect - well, bad luck. Happened before to other people. You did not reach the point, you don't get that ribbon, and you wouldn't get most of the other ones. Make yourself a gratitous ribbon for failing to find the right person to ask, if you insist to get a ribbon. --Ekorren 15:47, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I have to agree with Ekorren on this one. It seems to me that the wording implies "gains permission from a person" AND "reach the exact location (within GPS sensitivity)". Talking to people and trying to spread the word of geohashing is a great thing, and I encourage you to do it as much as possible! There are sometimes where bad luck and unusual circumstances prevent a person from obtaining a ribbon. I, for example, cannot get the There_might_be_alligators!_consolation_prize even though I live in one of the most alligator prone areas of the world. This is due to the fact that it states the marsh, swamp, etc. must be unexpected, which is never the case here. Again, it is unfortunate that this ribbon doesn't reward you for an awesome expedition, and gaining permission from a land owner, but that's the way it goes. --aperfectring 16:41, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Passport suggestion

To stress our respect for property consider adding something to the effect that - in fact participants show their respect for land and the environment through a policy of leaving the area cleaner than they found it by cleaning up any litter they might find. Maybe some reference to the Geotrash_Geohash Achievement award. --Bos 07:57, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Does anyone speak ..... ?

I am going to be travelling to europe later this year visiting spain, france, and the netherlands and hope to get some geohashing done while i'm there. Does anyone speak spanish, french, or dutch that could possibly translate the passport to any of those languages? Also, I might be in israel in april of next year as well. --Xore 17:14, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] All or one?

Does only the person asking get the achievement, or does everyone on that expedition? --Davidc 23:18, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Everyone may square that with her/his conscience. :p --lyx 23:24, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Everybody who gets to the coordinates after one of the group obtained permission. It wouldn't be fair if only one person or just a few out of a large group could possibly get the achievement. --ilpadre 06:06, 14 August 2009 (UTC)