Talk:2009-05-21 45 -123

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Awesome use of the Radio Yerevan ribbons. Well done. But which retrohash was it? 2009-05-21? That doesn't show in your map. And don't forget this ribbon:

The Portland graticule earned the 2009 Mouse Over Day achievement
by celebrating in the (45, -123) graticule on the Saturday following May 21st 2009.

-Robyn 02:17, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I put a ribbon up, but maybe I did it wrong. I'm trying to figure out if we might actually be eligible for some of the more mundane ribbons since it is a special day.... JimL 02:21, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I would say that you did both geohashing and the ribbon exactly right. The special day is in addition to any regular ribbons you might earn. It's to ensure that everyone who went geohashing today got a ribbon. But because it was a retro hash, most of the others don't apply. -Robyn 04:34, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

What's Wrong with the Map?[edit]

I saw your note to Zigdon, but I don't see a problem with your displayed map. Is that not where the geohash was? -Robyn 05:30, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I tried to set blue pin (Alt location) on the Peeron Map, (The Portland Map), but it wouldn't take. JimL 05:42, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't believe you can set an alternate outside the graticule. I'll test it. -Robyn 05:45, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I tested it. You can set the alternate outside the graticule, but if it's more than a certain distance from the edge of the graticule it doesn't show up when you click the graticule you started from. e.g. this test spot shows up outside the graticule, but this one doesn't. It does when you click one graticule to the east, just as yours shows up when you select the McMinnville graticule. Basically, peeron doesn't remember where you moved the teardrop from, it just remembers where you dropped it, and shows it to people nearby. I wouldn't worry about it too much. If someone is willing to travel outside the graticule, they will click around on the areas where they are willing to go and find your blue spot. -Robyn 05:55, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Page name[edit]

Shouldn't this page be named 2009-05-21 45 -123 ? Because you visited the coordinates of the 21st. That you went on the 23rd could be written in a section title: "Retro expedition on 2009-05-23" And the map marker would be correct, too. - Danatar 07:42, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

And if someone went on an expedition on 2009-05-23 there (and if it be a retro expedition), it's going to get really confusing. Please move the page to 2009-05-21 45 -123 and write the day you actually went there somewhere in the report. See Retro_expedition#Reporting_Retro_Expeditions: Name the page after the date of the coordinates (and not the date on which you actually went on the expedition) --ilpadre 14:11, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Good point. I'll move it for them, beause I'm a busybody. :-P -Robyn 15:41, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Page already exists. This gets complicated. Pages need to be merged. Don't have time. -Robyn 15:43, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, we happened to visit the coordinates of the 21th. But we were going on the 23rd. It was an alternate location for the 23rd. Actually, it was an alternate location for the 23rd in Portland! (What about Vancouver trip to the Cruise ship dock? What day does that get put against?) Besides which, that is a Geohashing Day coordinate. People could be going to it for years to celebrate Geohashing. In fact, I bet they will, since it is pretty accessible. Geohashing is about the expedition, not the coordinates. The adventure happened in that graticule on the 23rd. Since it was the Portland folks who went, you could argue using the Portland graticule, but I don't think it belongs on the 21st. JimL 18:37, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

The naming of retro expedition pages has been subject of difficult discussions, and it was decided to name the page after the date of the coordinates, which in your case were from the 21st. It was decided not to use the date when the expedition took place because that could mix up the retro expedition with a visit to the regular coordinates of that day. I know that the matter is complicated, but we try to keep it as simple as possible without crashing the wiki. The graticule where the geohashers came from (in your case Portland) is of no importance, only the graticule the expedition took place in; Geohashers often visit other graticules than their own.
And concerning alternate locations like the Vancouver cruise ship dock that do not correspond to any day's coordinates: I personally don't like it, but alternate locations come from the first days of geohashing. They were created so that people could meet even if the correct coordinates are out of reach, e.g. in the ocean. I either visit the correct coordinates, or recent retro coordinates (and I would do that only to meet people), or I have to stay at home (like I had to do on Geohashing and Mouse-Over Days, so no anniversary ribbons for me). - Danatar 21:29, 24 May 2009 (UTC) Oh c**p, I just realized I could have gotten the Geohashing Day ribbon by visiting the 19th's coordinates instead...
I moved the page, as threatened. I'll also fix all the links so no one gets confused. I agree that yurs was both an alternate and a retro, but as a retro "outranks" an alternate (at least you went somewhere the algorthm had directed) the retro rules got followed. This way if someone else does the same retro years from now, it gets added to this same page. Which I think is kind of cool. And don't feel like you should have been expected to know any of this. That's what dozens of people on a wiki are for: to make it self-repairing. -Robyn 14:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


Great expedition guys! Love the poi too. Brownies AND that's what I call celebration. -- NCBears 12:53, 24 May 2009 (UTC)